Taken last week in Inner Mongolia, it's looks pretty like 柑 橘 鳳 蝶 but yet quite different in it's wing pattern, could it be a sub-species kind?

[ 本帖最後由 kingarthur 於 2007-8-22 01:32 編輯 ]

不是柑橘.
應該係金鳳或金鳳既近親.

They are not P. xuthus. they should be P. machaon or some sub-species of P. machaon

[ 本帖最後由 Gilbert 於 2007-8-22 01:50 編輯 ]

Inner Mongolia....   I think we will have your latest starlight show very soon....

Thanks Gilbert for the info. taking those images is by far the most stinky experience I ever had because the site is right next to the broken sewer where human's X has surge out of the cover on the right side of the picture.

ya~~~最少同屬...都係華鳳蝶屬...

但依家未有時間幫手查下係邊隻...

你句說話有少少錯誤... 唔識解釋..

Papilio machaon baijangensis  Huang et Murayama?
唔知有冇錯.......
書話papilio linnaeus全世界有11種,中國有一種
而佢有6個亞種係中國
分別係
中華亞種  Papilio machaon venchuanus Moonen
新華亞種  Papilio machaon neochinensis Sheljuzhko
長尾亞種  Papilio machaon verityi Fruhstorfer
短尾亞種  Papilio machaon annae Gistel
台灣亞種  Papilio machaon sylvinus Hemming
北彊亞種  Papilio machaon baijangensis Huang et Murayama

禁多數係北彊亞種  Papilio machaon baijangensis Huang et Murayama..........

唔識點打返做英文..........

i think it is Papilio machaon baijangensis  Huang et Murayama
there are 11 species of papilio linnaeus and china gets one (Papilio machaon).
under Papilio machaon, there are 6 亞種s
they are...........
  Papilio machaon venchuanus Moonen (eg. Fujian)
  Papilio machaon neochinensis Sheljuzhko (eg. Sichuan)
  Papilio machaon verityi Fruhstorfer (eg. Yannan)
  Papilio machaon annae Gistel (eg. Qinghai)
  Papilio machaon sylvinus Hemming  (just in taiwan)
  Papilio machaon baijangensis Huang et Murayama (eg. Xinjiang)

and you took the Papilio machaon at inner mongolia
therefore it is Papilio machaon baijangensis Huang et Murayama

[ 本帖最後由 Chun 於 2007-8-22 18:34 編輯 ]

Don't expect much because the sky condition there wasn't as good as last years'.

Why? Dust Storms? Air Pollution?

Mainly because the sand dust in the place named 鄂爾多斯草原, indeed it's a sub-desert terrain so the air and sky there will become hazy when the wind blows, fortunatelly the light pollution problem was minor so I have a few decent images of the night sky from the trip.

P. machaon venchuanus Moonen;
P. machaon neochinensis Sheijuzhko;
P. machaon baijangensis Hueng et Murayama; and
P. machaon sylyinus Hemming.
are all possible from Monographia Rhopalocerorum Sinensium (上册).
係邊個亞種，u lum u，我冇咁勤力去分lu

我估係P. machaon baijangensis Hueng et Murayama

  Papilio machaon venchuanus Moonen (eg. 中國各地)
  Papilio machaon neochinensis Sheljuzhko (eg. 四川夾江)
  Papilio machaon verityi Fruhstorfer (eg. 雲南,廣西,廣東)
  Papilio machaon annae Gistel (eg. 青海,四川)
  Papilio machaon sylvinus Hemming  (台灣獨有)
  Papilio machaon baijangensis Huang et Murayama (eg. 新彊)

[ 本帖最後由 Chun 於 2007-8-22 22:03 編輯 ]

千奇唔好咁早下定論. 特別係唔熟識亞種既情況下.

反正唔識. 何必勉強地細分至亞種.

唉~呢d乜乜亞種......哂X氣la!
淨係馬來西亞o既藍點紫斑蝶都有成26個亞種!
真係你分ar~其實絕大部份咪係d學耆想有佢個名咪整個亞種出o黎!~

精闢見解...

個人覺得無咁黑暗. 某些亞種之間的確是有些分別. 識唔識睇就令一回事.

至於係唔係有人想名留千古. 答案係"謎". 好主觀.

我們看是小小分別,但係佢地眼中可能係好大分別
所以要創造一種叫亞種既concept
個人小小想法

所以我話絕「大部份」~
你有能力可以去馬來西亞睇下26個亞種有咩分別o既~~~!
例如佢地解剖左話個雄性性器官有少少唔同~長左d粗左d~又話係另一個亞種!
咁係咪哂X氣ar?.........

咁你既資料來源是那. ?

為什麼要定立亞種的這種概念，我並不清楚，但現時有不少種類(不單止蝴蝶)都有亞種，我相信箇中必有某些因素驅使分類學家去如此細分，並不是如你所說般 " 多餘 "。

另外，你的著眼點只在於馬來西亞一例，未免太過眼光狹窄。

始終都係果句, 生物界始終都係冇一條絕對的直線去分類和定義的..存在著很多變數...不過真的, 越是多人去研究的生物, 通常係越多亞種...